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Extreme / Avaya / Nortel Ethernet Switching / Re: 8600 maintenance
« Last post by Paul L on March 22, 2018, 05:19:40 PM »
This will happened without issue.   Keep onto of your VAR to make sure they are tracking it.
Extreme / Avaya / Nortel Ethernet Switching / 8600 maintenance
« Last post by oldNortelguy on March 21, 2018, 03:07:36 PM »
Anyone able to move their maintenance to Extreme or a VAR for the 8600 line?
Extreme / Avaya / Nortel Ethernet Switching / Re: Software compatibility
« Last post by Paul L on March 20, 2018, 10:00:59 AM »
The hardware version is just from what batch the switch was from.  You can ignore it.

To upgrade the switch you will want the firmware/Diagnostic.  and the Runtime software image.
Firmware.   4000_57001_diag.bin
And the software.  4000_573031s.img

As for the PoE update.  Only update if its really old or you are having issues.

Extreme / Avaya / Nortel Ethernet Switching / Re: Software compatibility
« Last post by sangeetaparekh on March 20, 2018, 07:17:16 AM »
Thanks Paul.

With regards to the ERS4500's, I'm unsure which files I should be downloading from Avaya's "Ethernet Routing Switch 4000 series v5.7.3 Downloads" page.

We have 5 x 4548GT-PWR devices, and I have noticed that all have different HW values, these being 03, 06, and 12.

I'm not sure what impact the HW version has, as I've not had much experience with Nortel/Avaya switching devices.

I can see SW update  "4000_573031s.img", would "4500_PoE_400.img" also be required for the 4548GT-PWR switches?



just a heads up.  if you have the following switches you might want to get all the software you need as it won't get re-posted on the Extreme portals

    ERS 5600 -- All Versions
    ERS 5500 -- All Versions
    ERS 4500 -- All Versions
    ERS 2500 -- All Versions
    WLAN 8100 -- All Versions
    ERS 4800  -- All versions prior to 5.9
    ERS 3500  -- Al versions prior to 5.3
    VSP 7024 -- All versions prior to 10.4


After March 30th Extreme won't be posting it online anymore.

Extreme / Avaya / Nortel Ethernet Switching / Re: Software compatibility
« Last post by Paul L on March 18, 2018, 08:26:16 PM »
Your ERS1600 is good, if I recall that was the last version so you are stuck there.

your ERS3500s can be upgraded to v5360.  But there is nothing wrong with the version you are at.
for your ERS4500s you might want to bring them up to the last release v57303.   v57303 is the Final release so you might want to just upgrade now.  its the most stable and has all the features the switch will ever have.
Extreme / Avaya / Nortel Ethernet Switching / Re: Example Config for Avaya ERS
« Last post by Paul L on March 18, 2018, 08:18:13 PM »
Trey.    NORTEL and AVAYA call their best practices guides TSGs.  Technical Solutions Guides.   Extreme is going to re-brand them soon as EVDs.  Extreme Validated Designs.

with that said, if you google for "Avaya small Campus TSG"    "Avaya Large Campus TSG"  "avaya super Large Campus TSG"   you will find everything you will need.   

actually the best guide is this Cisco/Avaya Interop guide.


Extreme / Avaya / Nortel Ethernet Switching / Re: Edge Switches - Avaya or Extreme
« Last post by Paul L on March 18, 2018, 08:10:54 PM »
full disclosure. I worked at Avaya and now at Extreme.  So I can give you some insight.   

 First off, I FREAKING love the ERS switches.  I have been working on ES and ERS switches for almost 18 years. Performance, stability, usability is off the charts.  And using them in Fabric Attach mode connected to a Fabric Connect Core is the sweeting shit ever.

Second. if anyone tells you ERS switches are going EoSale, EoLife EoSupport they are lying or being intellectually dishonest. The ERS3600, 4900, and 5900s will continue to be for sale as per the Avaya Sale cycle.  So we can expect to see them still coming our for sale for another couple of years.  From there they will still have software and hardware support as per the policy.  So you are looking at 7 to 9 years in total.  And although you won't see anymore hardware versions you will certainly see lots of software releases and feature enhancements in the future.

With that said, there will be no 3rd generation ERS switches.  ERS3600,4900, 5900 will be the last ones. 

I am telling my customers that continuing to buy ERSs is not a bad choice.  But you are correct. More R&D is going into EXOS.  And it does pain me to say this, but EXOS switches do have way more features.  And once you get use to the CLI, You can say easier to configure.   

I have three customers that have already started to swap out their ERS5500 and ERS4500 edge for EXOS.  Like you they have a VSP core and DataCentre.  Once you see how Extreme Management Centre works with EXOS you will understand that these switches can do so much more versus the ERSs.    Policies, Layer 7 visibility, flow collection, security and platform flexibility.  And all EXOS switches that support v22.4 or higher can do Fabric Attach.  So it really have no impact on your business as that is the same best practice as the ERSs.

If you really are unsure,  get your local Extreme sales team to show you how XMC works with an EXOS edge switch.  I almost feel off my chair when I saw the power you have.
Extreme / Avaya / Nortel Ethernet Switching / Re: Edge Switches - Avaya or Extreme
« Last post by Paul L on March 18, 2018, 07:47:22 PM »

Every thing will be EoL in some point ....I would not buy X460/450 just because of that...
The - is
Multivendor network is more complex
X460 could not be use as SPB node
I like the color?

By the way
EoL link to X460


I think there is some mis-information in this post that I will clarify.

One shouldn't confuse the x460 with the x460-G2.  When someone from extreme or an extreme partner mentions the x450 or x460 in 2018 it is strongly implied that they are referring to the G2 series.   The G2 series or any switch that support v22 and up are relatively new and no where near behind EoSale or Eolife

As for Fabric Connect in EXOS switches.   
all EXOS switches that support 22.4 and up support Fabric Attach.  And this plays nicely into Avaya's best practices that were modified about 3 years.    When the ERSs came out with Fabric Connect it was best practice to use FC between your VSP core and ERS edge.  For reasons I won't get into here, using FC on ERS came with too many draw backs.  Therefore, using FA at the edge and FC in the Agg, Core and DC became the best practice.    As the x440G2, x450G2 and x460G2 are the go to market edge stackables for Extreme, all they really need is FA in order to introperate with a VSP core.

Extreme Edge and VSP core is technically not a multi-vendor network.  Sure, you need to learn a new CLI.  But the integration with automation and management has taken that complexity away. 
Extreme / Avaya / Nortel Ethernet Switching / Re: Determine Trunk Ports
« Last post by orgitnized on March 17, 2018, 11:45:29 PM »
I'm not a Nortel guy, but I can tell you that this behavior also exists on ERS 3500 switches.
Using that command will show you other switches that are connected to neighboring switches.  So, you aren't seeing 2 switches on the same port, but that's what it looks like.
Here's the table on my ERS 3510
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switch1#show autotopology nmm-table
LSlot                                                                     RSlot
LPort IP Addr          Seg ID  MAC Addr     Chassis Type     BT LS   CS   RPort
----- --------------- -------- ------------ ---------------- -- --- ----  -----
 0/ 0   0x000000 00:00:00:00:00:00 3510GT-PWR+      12 Yes HTBT    NA
 1/ 8       0x000101 00:00:00:00:00:00 VSP 4850GTS-PWR+ 12 Yes HTBT   1/ 1
 1/ 8       0x000114 00:00:00:00:00:00 VSP 4850GTS-PWR+ 12 Yes HTBT   1/20
 1/ 8       0x000115 00:00:00:00:00:00 VSP 4850GTS-PWR+ 12 Yes HTBT   1/21
 1/ 8       0x000116 00:00:00:00:00:00 VSP 4850GTS-PWR+ 12 Yes HTBT   1/22
 1/ 8   0x000130 00:00:00:00:00:00 3549GTS-PWR+     12 Yes HTBT   1/48

Note that my local ports are the same, showing 1/8 for at least 2 devices, right?
Now let's do another command...
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switch1#sh lldp neighbor
                            LLDP neighbor
Port: 1     Index: 15                 Time: 0 days, 01:04:16
        ChassisId: MAC address        00:00:00:00:00:00
        PortId:    MAC address        00:00:00:00:00:00
Port: 8     Index: 171                Time: 1 day, 12:43:58
        ChassisId: MAC address        00:00:00:00:00:00
        PortId:    Interface name     Gi1/0/25
        SysName:   switch2
        SysCap:    rB / B             (Supported/Enabled)
        PortDesc:  GigabitEthernet1/0/25
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And take note...that switch wasn't even detected via the first command.  And, even the LLDP query would not have worked either, unless I had set LLDP to manually run on the cisco switch.
If that's what you're seeing, it's normal.  It simply means that multiple devices are being detected out the same interface.  To get to those devices, you need to exit through [said] interface to get more information about how they are all connected.
That's where the 2 commands come in handy.
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