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Offline Telair

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ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« on: February 27, 2015, 03:30:41 PM »
Looks like after a good long run, the Avaya 4500's, 5500's and 5600's are finally being retired.  Just got the End of Sale notices today for all those lines of equipment.  The 4500's are to be replaced by the newer 4800 line of switches.  The 5500's and 5600's are being replaced by a new ERS 5900 platform that will bring things like SFP+ ports, PoE+, SPB and newer technologies they couldn't just add in to the old products.

ERS 4500 EoS/EoL:
https://downloads.avaya.com/css/P8/documents/101007922

ERS 5500 EoS/EoL:
https://downloads.avaya.com/css/P8/documents/101007928

ERS 5600 EoS/EoL:
https://downloads.avaya.com/css/P8/documents/101007931


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Re: ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2015, 01:44:55 PM »
Year the ERS5510 was out there for over a decade. The first ERS5510 that I had deployed was a 24port with the huge BayStack label on the front. Unbelivable how long these devices are out there. I think we will not see products anymore that will have such along lifecycle.

Looking forward to see the new ERS5900.

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Offline Řyvind Nikolaisen

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Re: ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2015, 02:14:41 AM »
Long live the 5500 series... :-D
Just logged into one of my oldest, DOM 10.15.2003 and H/W rev. 01

Really looking forward to the 5900, it will simplify things with native SPB and MacSec for the edge.


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Re: ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2015, 10:17:26 AM »
Here is what I have for the new ERS 5900 information.  I like the front to back or back to front cooling option.

http://www.avaya.com/usa/documents/avaya-ethernet-routing-switch-5900-series-dn7705.pdf

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Re: ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2015, 12:48:09 AM »
4 or 5 years ago avaya give a promise, that 5900 series will stack with 5600 series and this stack will work with spbm, but as i see today, they lie. We have a lot of switch 5500 and 5600 series, but i think it is end  avaya switch in my company. RIP...

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Re: ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2015, 01:38:28 PM »
I am not sure I can hold Avaya to something said half a decade ago about a product that didn't even exist yet.  Back in 2009/2010 Avaya had just bought Nortel's assets a few months previous. 

I can see why they won't stack as the 5900's use 2x40Gig ports for stacking instead of using the 5500/5600 cascade connector.  The 5500's just didn't have the RAM or CPU power to do software SPB.  The 5600's have "fabric attach" awareness in the v6.6.1 code, but they won't be fully SPB players as their ASIC's just don't process that information.  That's the big thing with the 5900's.  New hardware.  It can handle new requirements no one had even known about when the 5500's first came out and standards that didn't even exist yet.

The 5500's did well for their day, but their day is coming to a close.  You need to compete with everyone else and that means new gear every now and then.

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Re: ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2015, 03:09:47 PM »
I don't see a direct replacement for the ERS 5632 - 24 SFP plus 8 XFP. This is useful for small core applications. I hope they plan to release a model suitable for this type of application.

The 5530 was replaced by the 5632, but what's going to replace the 5632?

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Re: ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2015, 07:20:07 PM »
I don't see a direct replacement for the ERS 5632 - 24 SFP plus 8 XFP. This is useful for small core applications. I hope they plan to release a model suitable for this type of application.

The 5530 was replaced by the 5632, but what's going to replace the 5632?
My guess if your're getting to this "small core" level Avaya is probably pushing the VSP 7000 platform as the solution.

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Re: ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2015, 02:29:42 AM »
I don't see a direct replacement for the ERS 5632 - 24 SFP plus 8 XFP. This is useful for small core applications. I hope they plan to release a model suitable for this type of application.

The 5530 was replaced by the 5632, but what's going to replace the 5632?

The ERS5900 will not have the SMLT feature at the market introducing. I think Avaya is placing the ERS5900 as a high end accass switch with full SPB capabilities. Since SW 4.1 the VSP 4k and VSP8k have the vSMLT
feature. I think for a small campus core you can use a VSP7k or VSP4450GSX sich has 12 10/100/1000 BaseT , 36 SFP and 2xSFP+ ports.
As we have seen in the past I would suggest that we will see more hardware models of the ERS5900 over time. 

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Re: ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2015, 11:40:11 AM »
I don't see a direct replacement for the ERS 5632 - 24 SFP plus 8 XFP. This is useful for small core applications. I hope they plan to release a model suitable for this type of application.

The 5530 was replaced by the 5632, but what's going to replace the 5632?

Unless you need all the 10G ports - VSP4450. If you can live with the VSP7000 form factor, you'll have 24+8 SFP+. The VSP7200 will have 48x SFP+ (or RF45), and may have the right feature set. Since the information I have is somewhat dated and under NDA, I can't really say anything but that it's coming. However, I believe the VSP7200 may target TOR/BOR and fabrics in the datacenter.

The option I'm going for in my arctic installation, is the VSP8400 with a 24x SFP+ module. It will be quite a bit more pricey than the 5530/5632, but offers so much more.

Just my 2cents worth...  ;)

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Re: ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2015, 10:47:08 PM »
4 or 5 years ago avaya give a promise, that 5900 series will stack with 5600 series and this stack will work with spbm, but as i see today, they lie. We have a lot of switch 5500 and 5600 series, but i think it is end  avaya switch in my company. RIP...

sounds like you got some mis-information from a single source. Because I have been working with Nortel and Avaya gear closely for over 10 years and I never got that message. 
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Re: ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2015, 10:51:39 PM »
I don't see a direct replacement for the ERS 5632 - 24 SFP plus 8 XFP. This is useful for small core applications. I hope they plan to release a model suitable for this type of application.

The 5530 was replaced by the 5632, but what's going to replace the 5632?

The new stackables are just going to be stackables.  Small cores will be found in either the VSP7024, VSP445, VSP7200 or the VSP8200/8400.   

FYI, VSP7024s and VSP4450s are actually cheaper than an ERS55632.   
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Re: ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2015, 02:51:59 PM »
I really like the 5530-24TFD. Rock solid switch for us and just runs and runs. Will have to pickup a couple and keep them on hand. Plus has the Nortel name and logo milled into thecover of the switch! ;)

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Re: ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2015, 05:07:12 PM »
I really like the 5530-24TFD. Rock solid switch for us and just runs and runs. Will have to pickup a couple and keep them on hand. Plus has the Nortel name and logo milled into thecover of the switch! ;)

Yes, the 12 cooper and 12 sfp slots they were a nice combination.

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Re: ERS 4500, 5500, 5600 EoS/EoL Notification
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2015, 01:43:11 PM »
So basically the 5900 will now have stack capacity equivalent of a 4800 series ? It was one of the interesting feature for the 5000's series since they were able to stack at higher capacity than the 4000's.

With the 4 SFP+, I might consider having two of them stacking and be use as Core for some of my smaller office !