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Offline jcny21

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Is Avaya announcing they are hanging it up?
« on: August 13, 2013, 07:53:49 AM »
Does anybody know if this is a true rumor? I am hearing they will be hanging it up next month, can someone shed light that this is not true?


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Re: Is Avaya announcing they are hanging it up?
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2013, 08:38:19 AM »
What do you mean by "hanging it up" ?

Sounds mysterious...
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Re: Is Avaya announcing they are hanging it up?
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2013, 08:44:26 AM »
Hanging up there Data side.

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Re: Is Avaya announcing they are hanging it up?
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2013, 09:04:17 AM »
I find that rumor hard to believe... remember Avaya is a privately held company. Avaya was acquired from Lucent in 2007 by Silver Lake Partners and TPG Capital for $8.2 billion. I've personally met with some of the finance folks from Avaya and while they don't carry a great deal of cash (Apple), they are more than solvent, and are returning a nice profit to their holding companies.

They just replaced their head of global sales last month;

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-10/avaya-selects-cisco-veteran-allard-to-head-global-sales.html

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Re: Is Avaya announcing they are hanging it up?
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2013, 09:34:05 AM »
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Re: Is Avaya announcing they are hanging it up?
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2013, 12:01:44 PM »
did you by chance hear this news from a Juniper, HP, or Cisco Account Manager?
Or perhaps a disgruntled former Nortel employee.

« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 12:52:41 PM by Paul L »
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Re: Is Avaya announcing they are hanging it up?
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2013, 12:50:57 PM »
Honestly heard it through a Cisco SE, which I know it could be false. But I have to say my Avaya SE has been a little shoddy about things.

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Re: Is Avaya announcing they are hanging it up?
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2013, 01:02:28 PM »
unfortunately this is common place.  all vendors still see the Nortel install base as a major threat.  And because Avaya is private they can tell any story they want.

the facts are that Avaya's debt is secured until 2020.  Nothing crazy will happen till then.

and next time the Cisco guy decides to throw stones I would challenge him to answer how many business units Cisco wrote off last year, how many product lines they MD'ed or EoL'd. (ACE) and how many Cisco people got laid off last year.

« Last Edit: August 13, 2013, 01:09:58 PM by Paul L »
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Re: Is Avaya announcing they are hanging it up?
« Reply #8 on: August 13, 2013, 01:04:22 PM »
Thats great to hear Paul. We maybe investing in multiple VSP 9000's and I just dont want to be left in the dark if they drop there Data portion

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Re: Is Avaya announcing they are hanging it up?
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2013, 01:09:07 PM »
its always a red flag when SEs throw stones at Companies, and not the products or the solutions.  Or worse when all they can do is bash the competition.  that is a sign that they can't speak to their own strengths.



I have worked with the VSP9000.   Awesome platform!!!!

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Re: Is Avaya announcing they are hanging it up?
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2013, 09:29:24 PM »
That seems to be a common FUD tactic by network vendors trying to win Nortel / Avaya clients.  There was a time a couple of years ago where it seemed that was a distinct possibility because Avaya didn't appear to know what to do with Nortel's enterprise switching portfolio.  They seemed to have found a path somewhat with VENA / SPB and expanding upon some of the "special sauce" they include to interact with their voice products. 

We are an Avaya customer but recently started switching our access edge to Aruba Mobility Access Switches (already have a big wireless deployment). We also considered Juniper.  Aruba doesn't have a play in core / campus routing (partner with Arista but they're more focused on the data center than campus routing), so we may be willing to look in other directions than Avaya for campus routing in the future.

Avaya's big pitch was in running SPB all the way out to the edge on ERS 4800 series switches (aka VSP 4000), VLANs and STP go the way of the dodo and you just deal with ISIDs.  Sounds neat but SPB requires premium licenses.

I don't have any predictions on the long term viability of the ERS portfolio, but I know I've been less than thrilled with the VSP7000 units we bought.  It was partly our fault for buying a product based on promised features, but development pace on the VSP7000 has been glacial, and will always have missing features when it comes to layer 3 and SPB.  It took a couple of years after launching the product to even offer OSPF, and multicast routing is still MIA.  Layer 3 VSNs are likely to never come, and IP shortcuts are up in the air.  Will probably know more 1H2014.

Aside from that, I would take a Cisco rep's prediction with a big grain of salt.
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Re: Is Avaya announcing they are hanging it up?
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2013, 07:02:19 AM »
The vendors always want to sell their boxes.
So they try to make the customers believe that the sun is shining so much better on the other side
of the river, to convince them to buy their stuff instead of the stuff from another vendor.
I have to deal with a multivendor network everyday. In my expierence when the sales guys only complaining about their compeditors they donīt have the best product that would fit your needs. 
You never know if they will continue to develop a product or shut it down and declare it end
of sales tomorrow.
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Re: Is Avaya announcing they are hanging it up?
« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2013, 02:03:04 PM »
fyi...

I have it on good authority that Avaya data sales were up this quarter.
Cisco didn't make their numbers this quarter.
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Re: Is Avaya announcing they are hanging it up?
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2014, 03:59:12 AM »
I think Avaya is better than Cisco.